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#33104 - 01/11/11 04:49 AM Re: Sign of things to come? [Re: Thumper]
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For now.
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Barbara Walters interviewing President Obama: "On what occasion do you lie?"
Obama: "Not too many big things."

Which allows for some "big things".

Self-admitted Liar in Chief:


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#33105 - 01/11/11 05:14 AM Re: Sign of things to come? [Re: ikayak]
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What happens if now Sarah Palin or Sharron Angle becomes a victim of violence? Will the fingers pointing at them now, then be complicit in the violence by reason of placing the responsibility of the horrific Arizona shootings by an obviously disturbed young man upon them? Why are fingers on MSNBC and CNN and in this thread not also being pointed at Joe Manchin? He made an armed aim and shoot political ad that was praised by political strategists saying it won him the election.

Good grief.
Even previous situational knee-jerk Obama has finally learned his lesson and is not jumping in with any uninformed opinion.
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Barbara Walters interviewing President Obama: "On what occasion do you lie?"
Obama: "Not too many big things."

Which allows for some "big things".

Self-admitted Liar in Chief:


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#33110 - 01/11/11 07:10 AM Re: Sign of things to come? [Re: Thumper]
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Originally Posted By: Thumper
Where would Mike draw a line on Free Speech?


Mike is in favor of free speech. He just told me so. Mike's not the one that is afraid of t-shirts and slogans and Internet blogs, and he has never moved to censor them. Mike was just pointing out the inconsistency that the same group that runs amok with the "terrorist" label would turn a blind eye when one of their own would put crosshairs on a map.
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#33112 - 01/11/11 02:32 PM Re: Sign of things to come? [Re: mdean]
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"The wicked flee when no one pursueth."

Didn't we all know this was coming?

Free speech is an interesting concept. "Kill the liberals. Ha ha, I was just joking. Choke Michael Moore to death. Ha ha, I'm such a kidder. We should poison Justice Stevens. Ha ha. Another joke - really."

Does the nature of their humor say something about them, or about the audience that made them rich?
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#33114 - 01/11/11 04:18 PM Re: Sign of things to come? [Re: mdean]
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Too bad you didn't see the map before all this.
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#33115 - 01/11/11 04:35 PM Re: Sign of things to come? [Re: Thumper]
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Originally Posted By: Thumper
Too bad you didn't see the map before all this.


"Get on Target for Victory in November Help remove Gabrielle Giffords from office Shoot a fully automatic M16 with Jesse Kelly"

M16s at as a campaign event? No one sees the problem?

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#33116 - 01/11/11 04:38 PM Re: Sign of things to come? [Re: Thumper]
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Originally Posted By: Thumper
Too bad you didn't see the map before all this.


Why?
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#33118 - 01/11/11 04:53 PM Re: Sign of things to come? [Re: Lumberjack]
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Originally Posted By: Lumberjack
Free speech is an interesting concept.


"Free" speech is a myth. There are always consequences to what we say and do. I support free speech over censorship, but I also accept that there is a cost involved. Free speech is simply the freedom to express ideas. It doesn't come with immunity. If you spout stupidity you will be held accountable.
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#33119 - 01/11/11 05:13 PM Re: Sign of things to come? [Re: mdean]
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Why, because complaining now is like closing the barn doors after the cows get out.
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#33120 - 01/11/11 05:18 PM Re: Sign of things to come? [Re: mdean]
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Originally Posted By: mdean
If you spout stupidity you will be held accountable.


That accountability is not apparent. The three quotes above were made by three of the four most successful pundits in media.

They are saying what their audience wants to hear; "Kill 'em." followed by the disclaimer "haha I was joking".

I've heard the joke before, and it wasn't funny then either.

The false equivalency put forward bugs me for two reasons. Once obvious, and another not so obvious. Obvious: There's no equivalence to the gun and violence imagery coming from the right. "Peace/love/dope/can't we all get along?" has no appeal to those secretly or not so secretly yearning for violence.

Not so obvious: The right is emboldened by that lack of reciprocation. They don't respect the left because they are weak. I'm greatly conflicted about this, but when we're so averse to "looking back" and "revenge" as to consciously choose to not prosecute war criminals, then the sum total of all the violent rhetoric goes up because one side knows they can escalate without limit.

Glenn Beck is genuinely surprised when he realizes that the vitriol he heaps on others might possibly one day be redirected toward him. He does what he does because that possibility never occurred to him. They operate risk-free.
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