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#75771 - 09/22/16 05:41 AM Re: Garfield Football team takes a knee? [Re: mdean]
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Having pride in your country is North Korean like. The founding fathers also formed a government that went to war to keep itself as one nation. I suppose you think that war was wrong?

Who is sidestepping "the issue"? What is your solution? Sitting for the anthem? The way I see it, it is like the Ice Bucket Challenge, from your point of view.


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#75773 - 09/22/16 06:40 AM Re: Garfield Football team takes a knee? [Re: mdean]
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I think the flag is big enough to take it. In fact, this is just the kind of thing the flag stands for.


There are a lot of patriots among us, many who have fought and bled for this country and the flag is something revered. If you choose to diss the flag as part of your protest, you make enemies. I think Garfield's football team get the protest about black lives but miss the point about what the flag means to most Americans. Our flag continues to fly for all of them though. Our country is too big to be limited by one set of ideals.

At least they are not burning Old Glory this go around.
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#75774 - 09/22/16 06:48 PM Re: Garfield Football team takes a knee? [Re: Thumper]
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Originally Posted By: Thumper
Having pride in your country is North Korean like.


I said "forced nationalism," not "pride in country." It's a significant difference.

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#75775 - 09/22/16 07:52 PM Re: Garfield Football team takes a knee? [Re: mdean]
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Where is the forced nationalism?
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#75776 - 09/22/16 08:06 PM Re: Garfield Football team takes a knee? [Re: Thumper]
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Originally Posted By: Thumper
Where is the forced nationalism?


*sigh*

"I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color." - Kaepernick

You acknowledged he has a point, but believe he should be standing anyway.
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#75777 - 09/22/16 08:24 PM Re: Garfield Football team takes a knee? [Re: Bogus_bill]
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[quote] Our flag continues to fly for all of them though. Our country is too big to be limited by one set of ideals..


Exactly. This country, this flag, and this song all belong to the protesters as much as it belongs to those that disagree with their method of protest. While I agree that something needs to be done about racial inequality in this country, and they have the right to do what they are doing, I don't think they are helping their cause at all. Either are the people who riot, loot and burn down their own neighborhoods every time a cop shoots an African-American.

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#75778 - 09/22/16 08:32 PM Re: Garfield Football team takes a knee? [Re: mdean]
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Where did I say he should be standing anyway?

I said people have the right to disagree with him and think what he is doing is wrong.

I have always said he has the right, he is choosing to disrespect the flag to make his point. You said meh.


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#75779 - 09/22/16 09:13 PM Re: Garfield Football team takes a knee? [Re: Thumper]
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If you think what he's doing is wrong, it stands to reason you think he should be standing. I don't think he's disrespecting the flag in his protest, I think that's hyperbole. I also said YMMV.

Well, whaddyaknow? It did.

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#75780 - 09/22/16 09:44 PM Re: Garfield Football team takes a knee? [Re: mdean]
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Spinning tires time,
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#75781 - 09/24/16 06:23 AM Re: Garfield Football team takes a knee? [Re: mdean]
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This was an excellent conversation. Thank you all.


Edited by Stash (09/24/16 06:27 AM)
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